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5:26 pm
February 25, 2011


andyb

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Hi Guys,

I have been following various deisgners with a view to the next build.  I must admit that they are not all canoe yawls.  I wanted to build a boat that I could handle on my own and easily launch from the beach slips here at Lee oln the Solent in Hampshire England.  I have been watching Campion boats and Tom's designs but they were not quite what I wanted as they were they were a bit longer than I could get into my garage. I now see that Tom has designed the 15 foot Circe which has 7 planks per side and can be built either butt-lapped stitch and glue or as an epoxy ply clinker hull. So this design has now elevated itself to the top of my list above the Deer Island Koster (canoe stern but not a yawl).  Disappearing of to Portugal in the motorhome for some sun in March so I will make a final decision when we get back after calling in on the Semaine de Golfe traditional boat week in Brittany where there are always a fair sprinkling of canoe yawls in various shape and disguises.

Cheers……… AndyBLaughLaugh

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9:38 am
November 29, 2011


AndrewH

Cape Town, South Africa

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andyb said:

Hi Guys,

I have been following various deisgners with a view to the next build.  I must admit that they are not all canoe yawls.  I wanted to build a boat that I could handle on my own and easily launch from the beach slips here at Lee oln the Solent in Hampshire England.  I have been watching Campion boats and Tom's designs but they were not quite what I wanted as they were they were a bit longer than I could get into my garage. I now see that Tom has designed the 15 foot Circe which has 7 planks per side and can be built either butt-lapped stitch and glue or as an epoxy ply clinker hull. So this design has now elevated itself to the top of my list above the Deer Island Koster (canoe stern but not a yawl).  Disappearing of to Portugal in the motorhome for some sun in March so I will make a final decision when we get back after calling in on the Semaine de Golfe traditional boat week in Brittany where there are always a fair sprinkling of canoe yawls in various shape and disguises.

Cheers……… AndyBLaughLaugh


 

I am also interested in the Circe 15.  I would like to hear how others compare it to Tom Dunderdale's Electra 15, or other similar models from other designers.  My sailing waters can get quite windy and choppy.  I would favour the most "seaworthy" boat.  I don't want to go over 16'.  Any ideas or comments on the "best" seaworthy, single or double-handed canoe yawl?

Thanks.

AndrewH

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7:04 pm
November 29, 2011


andyb

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AndrewH said:

andyb said:

Hi Guys,

I have been following various deisgners with a view to the next build.  I must admit that they are not all canoe yawls.  I wanted to build a boat that I could handle on my own and easily launch from the beach slips here at Lee oln the Solent in Hampshire England.  I have been watching Campion boats and Tom's designs but they were not quite what I wanted as they were they were a bit longer than I could get into my garage. I now see that Tom has designed the 15 foot Circe which has 7 planks per side and can be built either butt-lapped stitch and glue or as an epoxy ply clinker hull. So this design has now elevated itself to the top of my list above the Deer Island Koster (canoe stern but not a yawl).  Disappearing of to Portugal in the motorhome for some sun in March so I will make a final decision when we get back after calling in on the Semaine de Golfe traditional boat week in Brittany where there are always a fair sprinkling of canoe yawls in various shape and disguises.

Cheers……… AndyBLaughLaugh


 
I am also interested in the Circe 15.  I would like to hear how others compare it to Tom Dunderdale's Electra 15, or other similar models from other designers.  My sailing waters can get quite windy and choppy.  I would favour the most "seaworthy" boat.  I don't want to go over 16'.  Any ideas or comments on the "best" seaworthy, single or double-handed canoe yawl?

Thanks.

AndrewH


 

Hi Andrew,

Had a bit of a problem with the Circe 15 as when we got back from Portugal the daughter in law fell pregnant so we have had evrything on hold whilst her indoors goes all maternal again.  Can't see me starting on this boat until at least Easter next year and we have already planned a trip to Croatia and northern Italy in the motorhome in May and june. Anyway I shall sneak in some plans just to get started before then. will keep in touch and say how things go!

 

AndyB

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10:12 am
December 1, 2011


Backwater Boatman

Clayton Bay South Australia

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Post edited 10:16 am – December 1, 2011 by Backwater Boatman


AndrewH said:

andyb said:

Hi Guys,

I have been following various deisgners with a view to the next build.  I must admit that they are not all canoe yawls.  I wanted to build a boat that I could handle on my own and easily launch from the beach slips here at Lee oln the Solent in Hampshire England.  I have been watching Campion boats and Tom's designs but they were not quite what I wanted as they were they were a bit longer than I could get into my garage. I now see that Tom has designed the 15 foot Circe which has 7 planks per side and can be built either butt-lapped stitch and glue or as an epoxy ply clinker hull. So this design has now elevated itself to the top of my list above the Deer Island Koster (canoe stern but not a yawl).  Disappearing of to Portugal in the motorhome for some sun in March so I will make a final decision when we get back after calling in on the Semaine de Golfe traditional boat week in Brittany where there are always a fair sprinkling of canoe yawls in various shape and disguises.

Cheers……… AndyBLaughLaugh


 
I am also interested in the Circe 15.  I would like to hear how others compare it to Tom Dunderdale's Electra 15, or other similar models from other designers.  My sailing waters can get quite windy and choppy.  I would favour the most "seaworthy" boat.  I don't want to go over 16'.  Any ideas or comments on the "best" seaworthy, single or double-handed canoe yawl?
Thanks.

AndrewH


 
I have just been doing sailing trials with 'Echo', my version of Paul Fisher's 'Lillie' a 15' design based on the 13' Ethel by George Holmes.

I have sailed a fibreglass 'Ethel' and found it a stable little boat and fun to sail. It was rigged with jib, gaff main and 4 sided mizzen sail using an extended top batten. Though the sails were recycled, being cut from a mix of old sails and carrying a smaller sail area then The GH Ethel she performed sweetly.

'Echo' carries new sails, jib and gaff main and mizzen with the jib being fractionally larger than the designer indicated and some roach is built into both main and mizzen. The Alexandrina Waterways can throw a fair breeze and did so over the Regatta Week of sailing trials. Only occasionally could I use full sail which when single handing, ( which I do most of the time)  the reefed main and full mizzen and jib was fine but on the wind was often overpowered. Furling the jib allowed a more sedate progress but pointing high with out the power boost of the jib led to pinching and the main being back-winded. Bearing away lost about 5 – 8 degrees but the forward motion was better. I suspect the centre plate needs more lead as I think the balance point between weight and buoyancy is not bringing the board down to the designed depth. I sailed with crew in wind gusting 18 to 20 knots using just the jib and mizzen. It was fun, but with crew weight up front and the short steep waves that freshwater produces caused her to take water blown back over the foredeck. The crew claimed she absorbed most of this. Could be as little water actually came aboard and when sailing single handed I have found her a completely dry boat as she is with two up when not pushed in heavy weather.

I do not know what others think defines a 'seaworthy' craft but I suggest when you talk canoe yawl, you should be taking into account the seaworthiness of the sailors.Wink  I would recommend the 'Lillie' design as seaworthy in the hands of an experienced sailor and I have noticed in the few weeks I have been sailing her, that getting the most out of the yawl rig will require a little practice in varying wind and water conditions. On a quartering breeze of about 10 -12 knots she felt very close to getting on the plane. The quiet progress of the double ended hull is deceptive when judging speed. I will get the GPS and wins speed device onto it so i can give a little more impirical data.

However the fun and satisfaction meters red line most of the time we are on the water, even in a drifter.

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